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- INTERVIEW, Page 11A Pencil In the Hand Of God
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- MOTHER TERESA sees poverty as a kind of richness -- and richness
- as impoverishment -- as she cares for the dying and unwanted of
- Calcutta
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- By Edward W. Desmond
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-
- Q. What did you do this morning?
-
- A. Pray.
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- Q. When did you start?
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- A. Half past four.
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- Q. And after prayer?
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- A. We try to pray through our work by doing it with Jesus,
- for Jesus, to Jesus. That helps us put our whole heart and soul
- into doing it. The dying, the crippled, the mentally ill, the
- unwanted, the unloved -- they are Jesus in disguise.
-
- Q. People know you as a sort of religious social worker. Do
- they understand the spiritual basis of your work?
-
- A. I don't know. But I give them a chance to come and touch
- the poor. Everybody has to experience that. So many young
- people give up everything to do just that. This is something so
- completely unbelievable in the world, no? And yet it is
- wonderful. Our volunteers go back different people.
-
- Q. Does the fact that you are a woman make your message
- more understandable?
-
- A. I never think like that.
-
- Q. But don't you think the world responds better to a
- mother?
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- A. People are responding not because of me but because of
- what we are doing. I think that before people were speaking much
- about the poor, but now more and more people are speaking to the
- poor. That is the great difference.
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- Before, nobody bothered about the people in the street. We
- have picked up from the streets of Calcutta 54,000 people, and
- 23,000-something have died in that one room (at Kalighat).
-
- Q. Humble as you are, it must be an extraordinary thing to
- be a vehicle of God's grace in the world.
-
- A. But it is his work. I think God wants to show his
- greatness by using nothingness.
-
- Q. You feel you have no special qualities?
-
- A. I don't think so. I don't claim anything of the work. It
- is his work. I am like a little pencil in his hand. That is all.
- He does the thinking. He does the writing. The pencil has
- nothing to do with it. The pencil has only to be allowed to be
- used. In human terms, the success of our work should not have
- happened, no?
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- Q. What is God's greatest gift to you?
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- A. The poor people.
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- Q. How are they a gift to you?
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- A. I have an opportunity to be 24 hours a day with Jesus.
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- Q. Here in Calcutta, have you created a real change?
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- A. I think so. People are aware of the presence, and also
- many, many, many Hindu people share with us. Now we never see
- a person lying there in the street dying. It has created a
- worldwide awareness of the poor.
-
- Q. Beyond showing the poor to the world, have you conveyed
- any message about how to work with the poor?
-
- A. You must make them feel loved and wanted. They are Jesus
- for me. I believe in that much more than doing big things for
- them.
-
- Q. Friends of yours say you are disappointed that your work
- has not brought more conversions in this great Hindu nation.
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- A. Missionaries don't think of that. They only want to
- proclaim the word of God. Numbers have nothing to do with it.
- But the people are putting prayer into action by coming and
- serving the people. Everywhere people are helping. There may not
- be a big conversion like that, but we do not know what is
- happening in the soul.
-
- Q. What do you think of Hinduism?
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- A. I love all religions, but I am in love with my own.
-
- Q. And they should love Jesus too?
-
- A. Naturally, if they want peace, if they want joy, let
- them find Jesus. If people become better Hindus, better Muslims,
- better Buddhists by our acts of love, then there is something
- else growing there. They come closer and closer to God. When
- they come closer, they have to choose.
-
- Q. You and Pope John Paul II have spoken out against
- life-styles in the West, against materialism and abortion. How
- alarmed are you?
-
- A. I always say one thing. If a mother can kill her own
- child, then what is left of the West to be destroyed? It is
- difficult to explain, but it is just that.
-
- Q. Is materialism in the West an equally serious problem?
-
- A. I don't know. I have so many things to think about. Take
- our congregation: we have very little, so we have nothing to be
- preoccupied with. The more you have, the more you are occupied,
- the less you give. But the less you have, the more free you
- are. Poverty for us is a freedom. It is not a mortification, a
- penance. It is joyful freedom. There is no television here, no
- this, no that. This is the only fan in the whole house. It
- doesn't matter how hot it is, and it is for the guests. But we
- are perfectly happy.
-
- Q. How do you find rich people then?
-
- A. I find the rich much poorer. Sometimes they are more
- lonely inside. They are never satisfied. They always need
- something more. I don't say all of them are like that. Everybody
- is not the same. I find that poverty hard to remove. The hunger
- for love is much more difficult to remove than the hunger for
- bread.
-
- Q. There has been some criticism of the very severe regimen
- under which you and your sisters live.
-
- A. We choose that. That is the difference between us and
- the poor. Because that will bring us closer to our poor people.
- How can we be truthful to them if we lead a different life? What
- language will I speak to them?
-
- Q. What is the most joyful place that you have ever visited?
-
- A. Kalighat. When the people die in peace, in the love of
- God, it is a wonderful thing. To see our poor people happy
- together with their families, these are beautiful things. The
- joy of the poor people is so clean, so clear. The real poor know
- what is joy.
-
- Q. There are people who would say it is an illusion to
- think of the poor as joyous, that they must be given housing,
- raised up.
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- A. The material is not the only thing that gives joy.
- Something greater than that, the deep sense of peace in the
- heart. They are content. That is the great difference between
- the rich and the poor.
-
- Q. People who work with you say you are unstoppable. You
- always get what you want.
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- A. That's right. All for Jesus.
-
- Q. What are your plans for the future?
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- A. I just take one day. Yesterday is gone. Tomorrow has not
- come. We have only today to love Jesus.
-
- Q. And the future of the order?
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- A. It is his concern.
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